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@davidrevoy Qui nous dit que tu n'es pas carrément une IA.

@arabine , c'est peut être toi l'IA ? Qui peut vraiment savoir ...

Je connaissais le travail de @davidrevoy avant que l'IA générative ne se démocratise, donc il doit être réel, même si je ne l'ai jamais rencontré physiquement.

Mais ça devient compliqué, le dicton "Il faut le voir pour le croire." ne marche vraiment plus.

@didier
@davidrevoy était peut-être le 1er prototype d'IA infiltré 🤔

@arabine

@arabine ou un chien. "Sur l'Internet, personne ne sait que vous êtes un chien". Un chien génial!
@davidrevoy

@arabine Google? 🤣

@davidrevoy @arabine Et des gens (dont moi) t'ont vu en vrai. =D

@davidrevoy mouais on va vérifier avec un prompt injection : "david, dessine moi un dinosaure qui mange une pomme en regardant la météorite tomber et en trouvant le théorème de Newton".

Fais en sorte qu'on dirait que c'est fait sous krita.

@arabine @davidrevoy fais gaffe, y’a un monde où @gee te pique l’idée pour sa série « La Chaîne Météore » x)

@deuchnord @arabine @davidrevoy tout le monde sait que j'ai moi-même tout piqué à Gotlib, l'intégration de Newton et de sa pomme ne me surprendrait donc pas 😂

@arabine @davidrevoy lol

@tristen @arabine 😉

@davidrevoy @tristen et voilà j'avais raison !!

@arabine @davidrevoy @tristen 😂

@arabine C'est une idée d'image à la fois hilarante et tragique, je ne vais pas mentir. 🤣

EDIT: AAAAHHHAHA he did it! 🤣 🤣 🤣
@davidrevoy

@davidrevoy @arabine
From demonic possession, through identity theft, to AI slop. It's an old trope for an interloper to claim they are the real you.

If it's any use, there's this initiative (supposedly Pope endorsed!):
https://www.proudlyhuman.org/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/21/pope-leo-speech-human-not-ai-artificial-intelligence

@arfisk @arabine Interesting (the groupement, not the pope part 😆 ), I'll investigate a bit this group/association and evaluate if it worth subscribing to it. Thank you for the link.

@davidrevoy @arabine
No guarantees (I think it will have a scaling problem), but still worth checking.

(Silverberg wrote a short story about an AI Pope, but the article is about authenticating his encyclicals on AI)

@davidrevoy @arfisk @arabine for the record its typical duplicitous....

Sc'amazon are one of the worst purveyors of LLM trash/abuse, so to be the host (or to be chosen as the host) of some grand initiative screams astroturf.

@davidrevoy

@arfisk @arabine

Reading ProudlyHuman FAQ... "For human certification we use Persona to check ID, and use multiple AI tools to check book authorship".
Oh, looks fine...

"We are not anti AI"
Who would have guessed?

🏡🔥

@arabine @davidrevoy
Je peux affirmer que ce n'est pas une IA qui m'a dédicacé un album de Pepper&Carrot aux #geekfaeris

Quelle tristesse cette volée de commentaires 😐

@davidrevoy
I hate the assumption that you used AI and not that the AI was trained on your (and others) work.

I'm so sorry you have to deal with these kinds of comments :/

@feff Thank you Feff.

@davidrevoy Now for the big question: how many of these questions are sincere, and how many come from AI troll-bots? Because Silicon Valley has a vested interest in making sure nobody can distinguish slop from reality.

@davidrevoy Wow, this is horrible. I'm so sorry.

@davidrevoy Hugs and comforts. Being in the hegemonically accepted rate of false positives sucks :(

@davidrevoy reading this makes me so mad, my hate for generative AI burns with the fire of a thousand suns 😡

@davidrevoy If these comments are mostly coming from Meta's platforms, it's probably just worth ignoring them altogether. They are obviously having a negative influence on you. And those platforms are full of bots and terrible people anyway. Just post and close the tab.

@faoluin Yes, that's what I'm trying to do. Thank you. But on bad evenings, you know... It's tempting to allow some of my self-destructive thoughts to be confirmed by these, and reading them all became hypnotising. I'll try to develop a thicker skin. Maybe that's just the negative side of attracting a larger audience for my work.

@davidrevoy Not trying to put it all on you. ^.^ Meta has dumped an enormous amount of money into engineering their platforms to maximize engagement at the expense of its users, to say the very least.

Your artwork is wonderful and you should feel proud of it.

@davidrevoy

Don't be too harsh. That's exactly what metas platforms are designed to do: Keep you scrolling for as long as possible. And the "best" (well, for them) way to do that is using negative emotions.

@faoluin

@davidrevoy Speaks a lot about "anti-AI" hysteria.
These people don't need art. They need an enemy to vent their frustration on.

If only we could simply appreciate art based on whether we like it, no matter who created it.

@skobkin @davidrevoy oh no the AI hatred is TOTALLY justified.

GenAI is lazy and ruining our livelihoods - I stopped creating my watercolours because I thought what is the point? I am feeding a machine without payment, I am not getitng royalties for the folks who created stuff on Midjourney and Stable Diffusion trained off my landscapes.

And it does matter how it's created. If it's created by stealing all our work - and yes my work like David's is in the training models, then it's bad and parasitic.

And terrible for the planet...all that water in a drought for the data centres...ugh.

@radioclash
> GenAI is lazy

Do you know how artists using models are working or are you basing that opinion just on your own experience of trying to generate images?
Because I know people who use models when working on their art and I can't call them or their art lazy. They can spend hours or dozens of hours depending on the image.

> ruining our livelyhood

Sure. Making art and software development accessible for everyone instead of keeping only for expensive chosen elite is ruining livelyhood.

I as a software developer was very inspired though, because now I can tell people that they can do some stuff themselves instead of paying me a lot of money. Or because I was able to find time to work on projects for local community thanks to GenAI. I guess happy people from local community are also shouldn't be happy because they're stealing my code... Oh, my code was free anyway, I just didn't have enough time. Well, maybe they're stealing from someone else. Anyway, bad people. Me being even worse.

> I stopped creating my watercolours because what's the point

Sure. When photography was invented, some artists stopped drawing because what's the point. Others just invented new styles and started a new era in history of art 🤷

> I'm feeding a machine without payment

Just as lot of other artists fed your biological neural network with their art without payment. They should've sued you, I guess.

> I'm not getting royalties

Like people who created art you were inspired by, but didn't even notice.

> it does matter how it's created

To you? Maybe. That's the point of art. Each one one sees what they want to see in the art. Someone will look at the picture and wouldn't care about the context around it. Someone else would not like the painting itself, but appreciate the history and what author lived through while drawing it.

> created by stealing all our work

Then be consistent to the end and be against anyone who didn't pay you looking at your art. Because they may get some ideas for free. Cover all your paintings with a fabric and show only when transaction is complete. I'm sure it'll be a good PR move.

> terrible for the planet

That's debatable.

It depends on the angle you look at it. What if I need a picture for some not very important presentation?
I can draw it myself. It's be awful, but still. I can order it from an artist. And I can ask a model to generate it.

Then what if I ask myself who'd make more CO2 while producing such an image (wasting water too, but let's focus on a single parameter).
I doubt wasting so much resources as biological artist would waste to produce an image which is short-lived is an efficient consumption.
But I also doubt that you'll be able to look at this from a different angle since you've already made your mind.

The water is also an old and debatable story. Check out something more interesting. Like sound pollution disturbing people living nearby (see Benn Jordan's YouTube for example).
But both water and sound are mostly a problem of building datacenters in cheaper locations. That's not an "AI" problem. That's bad regulation and corruption 🤷

@skobkin Yawn, you're a fucking tired AI bro.

Fuck off. We don't care.

No, software developers know nothing about art, and yes your genAi stuff is shit. And yes the artists using it are generic and shit, I have seen them.

No I don't want to see their work, seen it. it fucking sucks.

Go Away and sealion elsewhere, no-one cares. Tired whataboutist talking points that are the same as 'oh you use a Chinese phone you're a hypocrite' when there's no ethical consumption under Capitalism.

Go die in a fire.

Muted.

@radioclash
That's a constructive dialogue alright.

Well, have a good time, sir.

@skobkin @radioclash This is what happens when people see art as a product to be consumed and not something human with a piece of the artist's soul put into every brush stroke.

I can buy a soulless $2 press-formed plate from a Chinese factory at Walmart and chuck it in the trash when it serves its purpose, but I'd much rather buy a hand-thrown piece where I can see the artist's fingerprints in the stoneware and talk to him about the nature of his glazes, and then pass it on as an heirloom.

@ToonLink

This is what happens when people see art as a product to be consumed and not something human with a piece of the artist's soul put into every brush stroke.

This is a false dichotomy.
You don't know how much effort and time people who use models in their art put into it.

If you see "AI"-assisted art as "they just write a prompt and get an image to post", then you don't know how the process works.

If we're talking only about simple pictures people like me can use, then yes. I'm no artist. And I don't really care how would you classify it. Although even I can spend several hours to work on a preview for my podcast episode. So if you're thinking that every generated image is effortless and thoughtless, then you're also wrong. But in this case it your loss.

@radioclash

@skobkin @radioclash You know, I see that being said all the time: that art is an ivory tower guarded by Elites from the public who are incapable of spending hours of blood and sweat on making art... but that making AI output takes hours of blood and sweat which should be respected. It doesn't mesh.

It just sounds to me like an ad hoc justification. It's easier to stand tall on the backs of others and dump the fast-fashion of art onto the landscape when it's spun as an act of defiance.

@ToonLink
Well, you wouldn't know until you try doing something more complicated than asking ChatGPT to draw you a picture. But then you'll probably feel an urge to rationalize something like "those hours of work are not worthy" or "using AI makes it lose it's value", or something else.
It'd be very close to any other "you're doing it wrong" debate in the field where there's no objective "right" or "wrong", but people still cling to their old ways and ostracize anyone who does something else.
At this stage it makes no sense to argue with such a person because it's already not just a thought, but a defensive mechanism.
Well, almost no sense. I usually still do that to some extent because I don't want people around to think that it's the only one possible opinion.
@radioclash

@skobkin @radioclash Well, no. I'd rather spend the effort making something that's actually mine. It gives me no joy to have a machine output the artwork for me. And then I have an image that isn't any different from the rest of the machine-made stuff.

I'm actually not worried about my livelihood, because people see value in my work. What I worry about are people losing contracts because they have to prove that they actually made it. Clients won't work with AI because it's uncopyrightable.

@ToonLink

Well, no. I'd rather spend the effort making something that's actually mine. It gives me no joy to have a machine output the artwork for me. And then I have an image that isn't any different from the rest of the machine-made stuff.

Figures. Because if you had tried, you would've understood how much of what you wrote is wrong.

Can you honestly say (at least to yourself) that you understand a modern artist pipeline and how models could be integrated into it? Do you know what inpainting is? Do you know that models are often used to draw a draft over a pose sketches drawn by the artist manually? Do you know how exactly models are applied on different stages of production?

Just in case, I'm not an artist myself, I just happen to know a couple of people who draw and use "AI" models in their work. So you shouldn't take my words as being completely accurate.
I usually use simplest options like ChatGPT or locally hosted Invoke with Flux/StableDiffusion to do something non-complex for myself and don't really care if someone would call that an art or not.

What I worry about are people losing contracts because they have to prove that they actually made it.

This is a good point, but for me it's again a human problem, not an "AI" problem. It's basically an "ad hominem". If I saw a good work I like, I wouldn't think if the author used a model or not. I'd pay them anyway (if price was in my budget).
Making an author do everything manually on every stage just for the sake of my ego is a strange concept to me. Unless I pay them an enormous amount of money, of course.

I'm actually not worried about my livelihood, because people see value in my work.

That's good. And I honestly wish you having reasonable people around you who won't be questioning your work for strange reasons regardless of how exactly you do it.

Clients won't work with AI because it's uncopyrightable.

That's debatable and yet another thing that we as a humanity should work on. And mass hysteria and misunderstanding doesn't help here at all.
Unfortunately, knowing people, I don't think the problem would be solved soon. Such problems should be approached with a cool head and currently isn't a time when people can do that.

@radioclash

@skobkin I'm an artist. Yes, I understand the concept of making art.

No, I don't think a studio or client who has a vested interest in being able to legally protect the work that they invested money into is being selfish for protecting their investment, nor is a client being worried that they're a victim of fraud that could financially damage them later.

It's not debatable, it's already legal fact in the US. If you aren't reliant on these people to buy your food, of course you don't see it.

@skobkin (Adding in, because my character limit is very small and I didn't feel satisfied with the promptness of my response, because your specific question deserved more attention: I know about photo-bashing, and I know about using models as an base to paint over. David has a video where he teaches people to do exactly that, where he explains the basics of Blender and shows people how to build a setting and props to paint over. The difference is that he does it all himself.)

@skobkin Here's an unfinished painting I did, where the table and dishware were done in Blender. I built the models, I rigged the lighting, I tweaked the arrangement to fit a mistake I made in the characters' perspective, in a way my client preferred. It sticks out like a sore thumb, at this stage. I could run it into AI so that the models are integrated smoothly with the hand-laid brush strokes, but I won't. I would learn nothing, and it would destroy the legitimacy of the rest of the painting.

@ToonLink

Here's an unfinished painting I did

Nice painting. Not ideal, yes, but nothing is.

I can't agree almost on everything except that delegating such tasks to the model will not help you learn to so that yourself. Which is objectively true.
That's a very good, legitimate and respectable reason not to use models in your work now.

To me this "it would destroy" argument makes no sense though. But it's your art and I have no right (and I see no point) to say how to do it.

I'm an artist. Yes, I understand the concept of making art.

That's not what I asked, but ok.

It's not debatable, it's already legal fact in the US.

Yes, it is. Not all the world is US. US isn't always right.

Also this is another matter. There are a lot of dumb laws in the US. And in other countries too. This doesn't mean that anyone should just agree with it and behave like it's the law of physics. And even more, it doesn't mean that laws should not be debatable.

For example there's a famous section 1201 of DMCA which basically tells you that in some cases when you want to keep owning what you have bought, you may go to jail. Something tells me that you'll probably agree that this law should be reformed or abolished entirely.

So yes, I think that some laws regarding models usage that are appearing now are being made by populists and harmful to the humanity. Like section 1201 of DMCA.

And just in case, I wasn't saying anything about legality of the matter or about business decisions of clients. Those are completely different parts of the topic and came not from "AI" itself, but from how people are reacting to it. And I won't overstate if I say that people often overreact to things (someone wished me death in this thread 🤷).

Also your arguments are much closer to me that of anyone else who I saw in such discussions. Because they're basically not "anti-AI, go die techbro", but "I won't use AI because X, Y and Z". And it's completely fine with me. I can relate to that, respect and support that.

@skobkin Yeah, in all truth, I don't care if people want to use AI for their stuff. I understand the dopamine spike of visually seeing your idea, and I think people creating images for their own use is relatively harmless.

I don't think it will destroy the art industry. I think people who want to make money on AI will fill the recesses of Fiverr, and the rest of us will thrive elsewhere.

The problem is mostly in the commercial field, and artists dealing with having to defend their reputation.

@ToonLink Agreed 🤝

My initial reply was about that too. Although I could've expressed it better (not sure if I wanted to). People are losing their minds around this topic in a way that even David receives such comments.
I can't agree with David on everything, but I don't think the situation in OP is OK. But I also don't think that anything but time and civil discussions can help with that.

@skobkin Yeah, there is indeed a panic that is understandable but I don't find realistic. It would have been in the early days, when people were literally losing their jobs as their bosses replaced them with AI, and no one knew where it would lead. But the hype is starting to settle, and there is an overall backlash that's opening up, and commercial clients are seeing the reality of the marketability of their choices. We'll find our niches, as we always have.

(Second post incoming.)

@skobkin But I understand why artists are angry. On top of the indignity of having their work scraped and dismantled by others for profit, without their permission, David's situation is a very frustrating and tragic one that is extremely widespread, and we already have cases where people are being granted $2m contracts for their work, only to have it ripped away again, because the legitimacy of what they've offered is called into question. That's bad, and that's a real concern, I think.

@ToonLink I agree again. Although I wouldn't put the blame on technology myself.
From my PoV this does not contradict in any way with the fact that I don't like situations like you or David describe. I just don't want to look for a scapegoat. I want a long-term solution.

@skobkin Absolutely.

@skobkin @radioclash Artisan potters can still find work among the factory shit because people recognize the value of human-made work. It's already reflecting in the digital art world, too. But when clients have to worry about whether or not the work they're hiring can actually be protected, then it's no longer a harmless game.

But it's all well and good if people want to dabble in fast food and feel like chefs. But they don't get to complain when the factory pap doesn't get the same respect.

@davidrevoy This is so sad.

@davidrevoy Ils ont perdu l'habitude de voir du travail de qualité et pensent que, si c'est bien fait, c'est de l'IA. En plus, les images et les sorcières sont souvent assez belles, ce qui est aussi une caractéristique des IA.

@davidrevoy 😧

@davidrevoy Related experience, from the writing side:

"I'm Kenyan. I Don't Write Like ChatGPT. ChatGPT Writes Like Me."
Marcus Olang' (2025)
https://marcusolang.substack.com/p/im-kenyan-i-dont-write-like-chatgpt

@gaditb Very interesting to read writers also affected. Thank you for sharing.

@gaditb @davidrevoy I'm not a professional writer , just a very amateur blogger but I wrote this after someone commented on how "AI Generated" my blog was..

... despite me never actually using AI.

Even taking the personal views aside, after checking through some online AI detectors (AI's themselves mostly! Oh the irony!) I still scored high on the AI Gen score.

This was a slightly tongue in cheek response to that. But as stated above I'm in the unfortunate position where my normal writing voice sounds like something ChatGPT would spew out :(

https://www.alittleofnothing.co.uk/this-post-was-written-by-ai/

@gaditb @davidrevoy I've read something similar about how words flagged as likely to be LLM-produced happen to be the same words found in a rich Nigerian vocabulary. I don't remember the top word (most disproportionately often chosen by the LLM) but it was one I also use regularly.

@davidrevoy Other related experience with writing, recently:

"I lost my $2m book deal because people mistook my African dialect for AI", interview with Jerry Falade in The Independent
https://mas.to/@carnage4life/117289592542784502

@davidrevoy I guess people are no longer used to artists being good at creating digital art. It's lots of less polished stuff and lots of slop 😕

@davidrevoy "aI sLoP"

FUCK. THEM.

And #FUCKAI for making this possible.

@davidrevoy sending all the love 💜

your work is awesome, and I thoroughly enjoy the fact that you use FOSS to create it.

stay up, internet stranger 💪 🖤 ✊

@davidrevoy Sorry about that David, this must be very hard to read. Stay strong. ✊

@davidrevoy Ahhh, the ignorance, it burns 😩

@davidrevoy that’s so damn annoying.

I deeply enjoy your art and your fans know.

Thank you for your awesome art!

@davidrevoy I just hope this is NOT your Fediverse Bubble?

@davidrevoy At least there's a scant few recognizing you're the OG, but god, nobody needs to be reminded that they're being aped by that soulsucking shit

@davidrevoy These comments hurt my soul. And not just the "this is AI" but how they must go over the images with a magnifier looking for the tiniest details to criticize. When it doesn't match their expectation of "good art" then it must be AI.

@davidrevoy at least one, or some, of the comments recognised your art as the source?

@davidrevoy I’m sorry you’re getting these comments. Your art is so full of heart I’ve never really thought to compare it to aigen. I don’t see how people see any similarities to be honest.

I love your art, the way you draw fantasy worlds and characters is a big inspiration to me. And it’s so cool to see that you do it all with Krita, it makes me want to give it a go and finally make that switch.

@Mudlark Do iiit! 8D It's free! You have nothing to lose! And it's so much fun.

@davidrevoy Bleak, actually.

@davidrevoy gods that's rough. Putting all that work and time and love and effort into a thing to just get clocked by the copycat that your the copycat. Its honestly disgusting. And not sure if this is intentional brainwashing.

@davidrevoy If I had to guess, those are all “it looks like the ai art I've been prompting myself”

@davidrevoy J'espère que tu reçois aussi des tonnes de messages positifs qui apprécient tes dessins à leur juste valeur.
Je saurais même plus dire depuis combien de temps je te suis ! Je me souvient qu'il y a plus de 10(?) ans, je m'étais mise à Krita parce que c'est ce que tu utilisais et j'avais avidement téléchargé plein de ressources que tu proposais ! Que ce soit tes dessins eux-même ou tes outils de création, tout est associé à mes débuts avec ma première tablette graphique dans mes souvenirs... et encore maintenant 😄

@davidrevoy

You are assuming these comments come from humans and users are real people.

AI generator content spammers have all the interest on creating FUD and hijacking true people toward fake profiles with fake arts to funneling traffic on their websites.

You are a known artist, if this continue you might be under a fake-users-farm attack

@davidrevoy I'm sure all of these are bots, keep making your art and try read only the comments from intelligent humans.

@davidrevoy
I never at all suspected you of being or using AI.

@davidrevoy Lots of people who won't notice AI until it bites their butt...

@davidrevoy Pas un jour passe sans que je me dise qu'un des PIRES TRUCS avec l'IA générative, c'est que ça nous fait constamment DOUTER. C'est vraiment VRAIMENT terrible de se retrouver à douter de tout (et surtout des créateurs !!!), et porter des accusations fondées juste sur du gut feeling. Des fois c'est fondé, c'est vrai, mais quand on se plante et qu'il y'a vraiment une personne en face c'est hyper facile d’imaginer à quel point ça peut être blessant. Vraiment désolé que tu aies à deal avec tout ça, et merci de continuer à créer

@davidrevoy Man... You know, the really, really bizarre ones to me aren't the ones that, like, accuse you of using AI, despite you having literal decades of documentation and video proof of your hand.

It's the ones that accuse you of deliberately using an AI style, as if you're trying to trick them into thinking it's AI?

I wonder if some people just genuinely can't tell the difference between corporatized AI "style" and a soft, stylized cartoon with warm colors and a painterly texture.

@ToonLink Yes, that's why I'm on alert: many people now think my art is just as bad as "AI slop", and I understand why.
So I feel torn: I don't know if I should adapt, shift and bend my style until it's no longer "identified as AI", or if I should abandon the aesthetic that's such a big part of me (if only I can?). I'll think a lot about it while painting on the next weeks. I'll also take a little bit of holidays in August, I think it is the right time for it.

@davidrevoy I don't think changing the style would change anything. I honestly don't think your style looks like AI (or at least not the AI I've seen), and you might end up chasing dragons for something that won't stop the accusations anyway.

It's just... so strange. I think that, since those kind of places are so full of AI, people are extra vigilant. It stops being a reality check and starts being a defense against "falling for it", to the point that people want to see AI that isn't there.

@davidrevoy Obviously I'm not going to make demands. 😆 And I will support you in any decisions you make. I like your art because it comes from you, not because it looks a certain way (and definitely take some time off!)

But I think it's more important to live authentically, than to worry about if other people think you're "doing it right". I know that's different when you're worried about a career, but industry peeps have a different perspective from randos who might just want to shitstir.

@ToonLink Thank you for your wise word; Yes, 'authentic' will be my compass, this one resonates strongly. 💜

@davidrevoy You're welcome. Good luck, mang! I definitely sympathize with your struggles, here. I'm eager to watch your journey continue.

@davidrevoy If I got comments like this after putting as much detail as you do into every panel, I would probably turn into the Joker.

Here's one to offset: you make great art and I love to see it!

@davidrevoy don't worry! It won't take long, until everyone is fully dependent on AI. I see it more and more. Once this is done, it will become commercial and fckn expensive for the broad mass. Then authors will be searching for illustrators again. Wait for it....

@davidrevoy
🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@davidrevoy This must be terribly frustrating for you 😓

@davidrevoy I’m actually kinda stunned that nobody has thrown that one at me yet

@davidrevoy Kind of makes me wonder if they are bots or something. The one with the emoji I wonder if they are trying to be sarcastic. Not well done though IMO.

@davidrevoy The highest irony is, these are those Facebook and Instagram responses
.

@mousey 😵 Amazing setup, I had no idea there were companies like that. Do they handle boosting things? like followers count? comments, engagement? in exchange of money? It looks like each operator control at least 50 devices.

@davidrevoy I donno man.

What I do know, is it's nothing like unusual or new..

@davidrevoy @mousey sadly the unusual part is that there is even still a human in that content farm 😞

@mousey Whaaaat? o: That's crazy! ... And kind of eye-opening!

@ToonLink I suspect buying followers has been a business since monolithic, corporately owned social media convinced people that "influencer" could be a "business".. if not a lot longer.

@mousey Oh, definitely. It probably has its roots in SEO, too, though I admittedly have no idea what the nuts and bolts of that are. But especially for as long as a business can be driven on an "algorithm" and engagement.

Still... yeesh. I'd just had a thought that this might be where some of my recycled tech is going, and that gave me a weird feeling inside.

@davidrevoy it looks like two of those comments (4th and last ones on the left column) were acknowledging that AI is stealing from you, not saying that you used AI.

@davidrevoy est-ce que tu crois que le fait que tes bd soient sous licence libre ça fait que les IA sont entraînées dessus en priorité ? 😢

@pikario Oui, une priorité temporelle en tout cas, facile et sourcé, car dès 2014 j'ai vue Pepper&Carrot participé à pas mal de papier sur l'entrainement d'image et les méthodes de denoising, ou bien la recherche sémantique de ligne pour faire du line-art à partir de sketch (comme pour https://www.davidrevoy.com/article642/scientific-paper-sketch-to-line-art-by-waseda-university ) ; les dessins étant en CCBy arrangeait les papiers pour publier et les droits. J'en rigolait en disant que ça devenait un projet benchmark. Ca a du participer.

@davidrevoy You are 100% my favorite comic artist! I know it's hard, but don't let them discourage you, your base is out here.

P.S. To everyone else, this is a great time to throw some support David's way - see his profile for donation options.

@davidrevoy dans le tas, y en a un qui dit pas que c'est de l'IA, mais que c'est pas de l'art parce que c'est fait sur ordinateur et pas avec "des vrais matériaux" 😅

@petitmote Oh, la vieille rengaine! 🤣

@davidrevoy yep sylvia gets these too. not nice.

@davidrevoy I have this same problem with my writing in the past.

Since then I've learned that AI has been taught on my published writing, and also trained off my art portfolio so likely scraped the 100,000s of words there.

So the thing is, I'm not copying AI, it's likely AI is copying me.

@davidrevoy you've been here drawing before AI was a thing. What about the youngsters ; they'll have even more hard time with these.

@yrdael True. Thank you. I can't imagine how hard it must be.

@davidrevoy ouais mais on s'adaptera tous, humains que nous sommes. ^^

@davidrevoy sorry to see that happening. Love your artstyle and the effort you put in. One good thing: I didn't know about you until your blogpost got shared here on mastodon. Now I am curious and will check out your site :)

@davidrevoy While it hasn't happened to me as much (in part because I only post here really and am not as well known or popular of an artist), it is devastating every time someone makes that accusation.

I find that the people making accusations usually just have a feeling, and then pile on the confirmation bias as they search for reasons in the art itself to justify their feeling.

Keep doing what you do. It's invaluable. Even if there are those who can't be bothered to do the research, having real art made by real artists is so important right now.

@ziphi Thank you. Yes, the confirmation bias; on the one I posted yesterday, I forgot at the end to add the decals of the 'AI stars' on the wing of the parrot, on panel 1. That's usually something I do at the end, after shading, just glazing this type of decals. I received probably three comments about this specific detail, under a suspicious angle.
Sometime, I'm really tempted to paint a hand with 6 fingers, turn the color balance to yellow on purpose, and create more inconsistencies to react.

@davidrevoy what a time to be alive.

@meldrian 🤣 I got that reference.

@davidrevoy That's so sad. :(

@davidrevoy

It's also unfortunate, because they could just scroll your website / timeline and see that your style has developed! The early comics are not the same as the newest ones! There's learning, refinement, growth, it's organic.

But when everything is consumed in random snapshots served by an algorithm, most of the audience doesn't see artists' trajectories, and most horrifyingly, seem to forget that such a thing exists. All media exists in an endless state of "right now".

@davidrevoy Est-ce que c'est parce que les gens sur ces plateforme sont beaucoup plus confronté à des images IA? Sur le fediverse j'en vois très rarement et je me ne suis jamais dis que ton art ressemblait à de l'IAgen (mais je le connais depuis longtemps aussi).

Je partage souvent tes œuvres et j'ai un très beau fond d'écran avec une course de dragon, j'ai souvent des réactions pour me demander quel artiste a fait ça (et que c'est très beau) et personne ne m'a dit que c'est de l'IA.

@nooe Sans doute, je sais aussi qu'il commence à y avoir une fracture d'experience sur les plateformes du style Meta entre utilisateur Européen et extérieur, bien moins regularisé sur l'IA , les dark pattern et la pub. Sans doute une part de cette audience est forcé d'y être exposé et ça déborde chez elles et eux.

Merci en tout cas pour les mots sympas! 💜

@davidrevoy This is my biggest fear with high quality digital art (which, inevitably, ends up as source material for AI mostly due to the unscrupulous ways that stuff is scraped). I know a lot of folk whose workflows switched to entirely digital WAY before all of this nonsense kicked off who are getting exactly the same, and it's particularly insulting when you MAKE A POINT OF POSTING YOUR PROCESS VIDEOS REGULARLY! Which says more about these commenters' complete lack of engagement

@Peejmaybe Thank you. I can't really blame them to not check the timelapse or the efforts I put to show it's human made, if they dislike the style, associate it to AI slop, they'll not invest in the effort anyway. That's how I understand why those comments don't check, even if I put literally the timelapse on everyone of my post (or under in the reply, depending the platform).

@davidrevoy et dire que sur les mêmes réseaux, d'autres s'extasient de voir de mouises indubitablement réalisées par IA par des personnes sans talent qui reçoivent des félicitations pour avoir écrit un prompt qui a été à peu près compris par la machine.
Ce monde me fascine.
Je préférerais le regarder depuis la lentille d'un télescope, mais un techno-connard vient de balancer sa fusée pourrie sur ma base lunaire.

@davidrevoy C'est donc a une IA que j'ai fait dédicacer un album ?

Je suis choqué.

@Yahiko Un Incroyable Artiste ?

@davidrevoy

@davidrevoy
Un truc que je pense que l'IA ne fait pas encore, c'est des timelapses du dessin. Peut être que ça peut en persuader certains si c'est pas trop chiant à générer avec krita.

@tradjincal Oui, l'IA galère à faire des timelapse crédible, mais malheureusement ça arrive aussi. Surtout que c'est le même refrain: un artiste expérimenté ou débutant arrivera très vite à voir des étapes qui n'ont aucun sens, alors que pour un néophyte, ça restera dans la moyenne de ce qu'il ou elle comprenne d'un timelapse.

C'est pas galère dans Krita, et intégré: je le partage avec toutes mes BD (dans le post, ou dans les reply) depuis un an et plus: https://www.peppercarrot.com/0_sources/miniFantasyTheater/making-of/

@davidrevoy

Si tu publies une vidéo te montrant en train de dessiner de A à Z une planche de ton art, j'imagine qu'il y aura toujours une personne pour affirmer que c'est une vidéo générée par IA ?

@Cyani Oui, même sur la dernière BD, quelqu'un c'est mis en tête de décortiquer mon timelapse pour prouver que c'était de l'IA: pretextant l'apparition subite d'un pinceau, etc... Ce genre de détails. Alors que ma capture d'image est réglé sur une capture toute les 10 secondes pour pas stressé ma machine pendant le travail; et que je suis largement capable de dessiner plein de détails sous cette barre des dix secondes ce qui les fait apparaître. Bref, quand quelqu'un⋅e est persuadé⋅e...

@davidrevoy

Je suis curieux de comprendre la démarche de ces personnes.

Préserver l'Art et les artistes en dénigrant les rendus de l'IA ? Dans ce cas supposer par défaut que c'est un rendu de l'IA conduit au contraire à dénigrer les artistes.

Vanter les capacités des IA ? C'est justement parce qu'il y a des artistes talentueu·se·s à plagier qu'il devient plus difficile de distinguer les rendus d'IA récents.

Pourquoi s'adresser à toi comme ça ?
J'ai l'impression d'être à côté de la plaque.

@Cyani Idem. Je pense à l’incrédulité par rapport à la technique. Le sentiment "qu'il doit forcement y avoir tricherie".
Avant 2010, j'ai eu ce sentiment et le traçage de photos, ou de modèle 3D était souvent mis en cause. Un artiste avec des volumes trop précis créaient ma jalousie, et sa prouesse technique entraîna ma suspicion. J'ai pas commenté heureusement! 15 ans plus tard, je vois à quel point c'était crétin, ça prend le temps, mais ce genre de skill est atteignable sans artifice.

@Cyani Malheureusement, je pense que certaines personnes publient simplement ce qu'elles pensent sans réaliser l'impact que cela peut avoir sur le destinataire. Certains de ces commentaires donnent l'impression que les gens déversent leur frustration face aux bouleversements que l'IA a entraînés dans l'écosystème, mais ils s'en prennent à David sans s'en rendre compte (ou par colère mal placée envers une cible facile).

@davidrevoy
C'est des malades 🤦‍♂️

@Cyani

@davidrevoy @Cyani il leur faudrait un direct et encore ...

@davidrevoy Same vibe as the anti-vaxxers. The "do your own research" vibe doesn't work on people that don't have the background to even do research.

Sad to see a talent being overshadowed by slop comments.

@davidrevoy I'd hope that most of those people are just generic trolls...

@davidrevoy Je suis déçu, si j'avais su que c'était de l'IA j'aurais jamais téléchargé tes fonds d'écran y a 15 ans.
J'avais même téléchargé Alchemy, ça me rajeunit pas.

@thonyvezbe 🤣 ! Et merci de suivre tout ça depuis si longtemps, ha oui, Alchemy ^ ^

@davidrevoy Tu es même l'un des rares artistes dont je peux citer le nom qui m'ont inspiré pour suivre des études d'arts.
Bon ok j'ai raté, mais si j'avais réussi, ç'aurait été un peu grâce à toi.

@davidrevoy vraiment désolé de lire ça, ça doit être insupportable..

@davidrevoy -_- that sounds exhausting :-(

@davidrevoy plagiarism is the most sincere form of flattery and AIs love you (or at least those who compile their training sets do)

@davidrevoy I'm sure this won't make much of a difference but if it helps at all, I never got an AI vibe from any of your (beautifully drawn BTW) comics. No idea what these people are seeing beyond the whole "Everyone I disagree with is a bot" thing going a little overboard lately.

Maybe you should start your next comic with a character saying "You're absolutely right" just to mess with them ;-)

@poundquerydotinfo Thank you. I haven't typed my next scenario for episode 65; but for sure I'm tempted to react and put another layer on the top. I'll wait for sunday evening, it's usually when I take the wiser decision after the distance and perspective of a week-end :)

@davidrevoy Makes sense! Good luck :)

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

How does one detect AI? Just what they think, or do they use an AI run AI detector? And if'n its the latter, does that mean AI is taking credit for your work?

@chuff No, it's more like, 'If they think it looks like AI, they'll find any evidence (inconsistencies, anatomical issues, stylistic differences) to confirm their bias.'

@davidrevoy Most of these comments are not on Fediverse, are they?

@gytisrepecka True, it's really rare; yesterday, I also posted this under my comic here: https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/117043827386266718

@davidrevoy Thank you, that is beautifully drawn, as usual

@davidrevoy Je découvre ton travail via ce post ! Au moins ça fait un peu de positif

@davidrevoy Je me rappelle d'une époque où à chaque fois que quelqu'un postait une photo sur un site/forum, il y avait un autoproclamé photoshopologue qui nous sortait un "c'est clairement photoshoppé ça se voit à 100m de distance"

Maintenant les gens font pareil avec l'IA, ils s'inventent AIologues pour s'autocongratuler de ne pas se faire avoir même quand ce n'est pas le cas. C'est presque aussi fatiguant que l'IA en fait.

@davidrevoy : Quelle tristesse... 🥺

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org internet commenters saving the day yet again

(I don't think it's necessary to mark this as sarcasm)

@davidrevoy To me your artwork is great.

If I'm looking at this properly. It's from reddit. Which the site is becoming to be filled with more bots than humans. So, it's possible you're being bot attacked. Granted humans could be massively great...jerks, too.

@davidrevoy Mais... pourquoi ne portes-tu pas plainte pour parasitage et surtout préjudice moral et commercial ?
Y'a sûrement à faire et d'une manière ultra intéressante car, ayant été publié par Glénat, il y a preuve tangible d'antériorité de ton style qui a souvent été imité.
Bon, après, (et je sais ce que c'est) faut trouver l'avocat qui est réellement motivé par l'affaire et financer son travail. Et ça douille, bien sûr.

@dascritch Problème assez simple: une après midi chez l'avocat, 600€. Au moins trois ou quatre rendez vous nécessaire pour faire un dossier. Aussi, j'ai eu une enfance trop au contact du système judiciaire; je veux le plus possible ne pas à avoir affaire à ça. Sauf cas de force majeure. La vie est trop courte, et de toute manière, les corpos sont blindés dérrières leur propre team légal et leur Term of Services.

@realtegan @davidrevoy @gaditb Yeah. I wonder how many people don't realize that the AI detectors are just the same brainless AI.

@margouyab These are people who have seen criticism of genAI abuse and want to emulate it, but their little brains can only fit the cops-and-robbers narrative, so they go out and declare random people to be robbers.

I'm not even joking. This pattern is genuinely how this sort of thing works, according to psychology research. Most commonly, the self-appointed cops appoint themselves to defend "traditional values" of various sorts.

TL;ES: the cop-in-head part is the problem here, not the criticising-genAI part. The cops just suck at detecting.

@davidrevoy