soooo... my employer has gone "all-in" on "AI" development and has a mandate that all work be done "AI-first"
needless to say, I am ... not buying this
I've been at this job for nine years and seen a lot of really stupid shit (including being forced to do all my work on a windows laptop ~6mo ago) but this is the thing has pushed me over the line; I've stayed at this job because I was able (within limits) to do my best work, and now I'm being told I need to do work that is worse than that
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@technomancy Switching to Windows would be a bigger deal breaker for me than any AI adoption, maybe because I see Generative AI as a fad mostly, but Microsoft is like a persistent evil that existed since before I was born.
The job market is crap right now if you don't have any Big Tech company on your resume while 10s of thousands of them are laid off and competing with you for the same jobs (talking about the 16k Amazon layoffs). Senior positions are even harder to get hired for.
@njoseph guess I should clarify, when I say "use" windows what I actually mean is "use windows as a qemu host and do all my real work on Debian" else I probably would have not been able to handle it for this long, yeah
still sucks tho
I'm looking around for options; got a few job applications out, but if you're hiring for Clojure work (or, somehow, Lua???) let me know
I have a lot of friends who have been looking for work for a long time and finding basically nothing, so I get that this is a bad time to do this, but I just can't stay with things going like that
edit: found a job now, thanks for your support
@technomancy imagine a world where we could work in lua. Hell yeah, lets see if it comes true.
good luck with the search, I think its easier if you already have a job than not.
@technomancy @aeva Hope this list of companies doing remote helps! https://taffer.ca/posts/2025/remote/
I've been more or less stalling for a couple weeks since this policy was announced; just dragging my feet and smiling and nodding, implying that yes, eventually I'd get around to installing clod as per the new requirements
but today I had a meeting with my manager where she asked me directly and there was no more dancing around it, so I told her straight out that was never going to happen
so... we'll see how serious they are about this! but even if they don't get rid of me and grant me an exception, I can't handle it being everywhere around me and suffocating me
@technomancy I'd immediately scrawl
THIS IS SOME BULLSHIT I QUIT
and then photocopy it on a ream, and throw the pages on the desks of every manager type.
But I may be temperamental.
@bjc thanks
I count myself lucky that I have been able to take a stand on this, but it did churn my stomach having all this going on
more than once in the past week I've come out of a meeting and gone directly to the punching bag in the garage to let it all out for a bit
@technomancy I do not understand this approach. I don't think managers should mandate any individual productivity tools. Measure people on their output, not their internal methods!
@ehashman yeah, I mean taken as a rational method towards the goal of writing software that works, it makes no sense
but it's pretty obvious it's just a cover story; the real goal is to project the image of having a company that is "cutting-edge" and innovative so that the CTO can get invited to all the cool silicon valley parties
whether the code being produced is any good never really factors into it at all
if it was any good, you wouldn't have to beg people to use it!
@ehashman and the thing is, my manager knows that even if you ignore quality and look at output, I'm still the fastest person on the team! the excuses the CEO uses in the all-hands calls about having "next-level velocity" don't hold up at all!
@technomancy well I suppose there's always malicious compliance ("I installed it, look" and just happened to forget to turn it on oopsie)
@ehashman if I were in a more precarious situation, yeah
I have played thru some scenarios in my head of how to fake it, but I just paid off my house and my spouse has a path to healthcare that could work for both of us, so I am fortunate enough to not have to play that game
congrats on the house i guess
I kinda doubt they will fire you unless you specifically try to get fired. Just telling them that you wont be using LLMs, but you will continue to do work, probably wont be enough
I think despite the layers of ignorance and social hierarchy performance, the people who make these decisions in software companies still kinda know not to mess with Scruffy the Janitor.
The company I work for is sort of on a similar track, I just don't have the same ability to walk whenever I want to.
in my head I have plotted what I refer to as a "desperation curve" where the X axis is time and the Y axis is my willingness to work with technologies I know I will find unpleasant
and if I somehow could find a place that doesn't have any LLM use, that would be a powerful multiplier against that curve
is this realistic? who knows... would I prefer a langlemangle-free Java shop to my current circumstances? yeah, almost certainly, but I'm still holding out hope for a while that I don't have to
but eventually it enters the realm of possibility if the current search parameters go nowhere
@technomancy an old favorite. This prompted me to go to his site and click the random comic button a few times and I hit another one that... resonates https://pbfcomics.com/comics/the-flight/
@technomancy I have confidence you'll be able to find stuff! You've got cachet, and can back it up!
Not... necessarily stuff you will really enjoy, though? I'm not even sure how much of that is out here these days. You'd hate where I am. I'm kinda just keeping things rolling; thus far avoided a significant portion of AI, but that is likely to change in the very near future. Also, I still end up writing JavaScript a lot
How about this, you start a co-op and I'll quit and join you 🫠
@jaawerth maaaan if I lived in a country with civilized health care I would have gone independent long ago!
ended up getting a job offer earlier this week, so I gave my notice at my "you must use AI for everything" employer!
I didn't think I'd be able to hit all 4 of my goals of "doesn't require AI", "not fintech/crypto/military/ads", "fully remote", and "uses Clojure" but somehow I did, feel pretty lucky about the job I found
will be starting at Metabase in 2 weeks
@technomancy Congratulations on the new role! The company you're leaving has no idea what they're giving up, whilst I'm sure your new employer will be thrilled to have you on their team.
@technomancy 😯 congrats! And…I think I’ll be sending in an application there myself, those are my ideal criteria as well!
the new job told me to spec out a laptop, tell them how much it would cost, and then they'd send a one-time credit card to cover it
so I put together a thinkpad T14, nothing too ostentatious, but 32GB of RAM, half a TB, whatever, and let them know the price
two days later I go back to that tab and there's a popup, "sorry, the selected configuration is not available any more"
apparently this model is now only sold with 16GB, the 32GB option is just ... completely gone
fuck Sam Altman
@GeoffWozniak thanks
I know it's not an option for everyone, but I have my house paid off so I feel like it's important for someone to say something, for all the people who feel the same way but are trapped



